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I never said Iraq had anything to do with 9/11 :roll:


you guys are completely ignorant of the entire web which was made by a joint effort of the CIA and JSOC (Joint Special Operations Command) which is all of MI. The entire "web" or link diagram not only connects bin Laden with the attacks of 9/11 but connects some of the financiers, strategists, supporters and Sha'hids that were involved in the attack :roll: no I am not sure if you will be able to find the "web" anywhere online simply because the entire web is not for public viewing due to its sensitive nature. Its ok though I forgive you for not being able to access all the information regarding Afghanistan or Iraq its not your fault.
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Angnoch wrote:Its ok though I forgive you for not being able to access all the information regarding Afghanistan or Iraq its not your fault.

Any information being used as argument but not being disclosed to the public is oviously a lie, otherwise there's no point in keeping it secret.
(I'm intentionally simplifying it cos it really is as simple as this)

Except for the **Filtered** reason of trying to keep good relations with people who were involved cos the public would want their heads.

So if the corporately owned government, but not its people, still want to keep good ties with said individuals it's obvious that said government needs to go.

Thanks once again for confirming my standpoint
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S0lid Snake wrote:America is a dictatorship just waiting to be switched on. The legal frame work is all there, will it be Bush or McCain to flip the switch.


Rhetorical question. What type of government do we have and how is it established?


Your question is not the least bit rhetorical, it's quite valid.

Not quite sure if you wish me to answer, but I will just in case you did, want me too, sorry for the long post.

What form of Government do we now have?

We in the west are suffering from dying democracy, the result of Republics gone a stray. Currently we're in what I term the hydra stage, which is the broken two party system (the two headed monster) Republicans & democrats USA, Labour & Conservatives UK. Dictatorships sprout from broken democracies, charming and ruthless individuals will always be waiting in the wings for an opportunity to sway the mob in to making rash decisions.

To make a random quote from a well known film "So this is how liberty dies? To thunderous applause!" (I'll give anyone a cookie if they can spot this quote).

People often ask for it by voting for the likes of Bush or his successor McCain (This guy publicly stated, he want 100 years of war in Iraq, War with Iran or even Russia). Gordon Brown was not elected by the people in the UK, yet he will take us into another illegal war. All preemptive wars are illegal in international law. Who did Afghanistan attack? Who did Iraq attack? Where are the WMD? We've been lied too, time & time again by these people for the 5+ years now we've been at war. It's time to stop.

These are indeed troubling times, and believe me when I say, it took a long time to convince me that we need change (I was conservative, a blue shame on me). I honestly don't know who I'd support in the UK, there is no valid choice, I refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils, I'll write in none of the above if I have too.

All I can say is the likes of Ron Paul, Dennis kucinich & Jesse Ventura are the way forward, they offer us a path back the way we came. David Davis has voiced his concerns over Freedom & liberty in the UK, but again he has been sidelined.

Bill Hicks had it right again when he said this "Why do we let the evil people run amok, and shut down the peaceful ones"

We the people need to stand up together fully united and impose our will upon the Governments, no more wars, no more killing, stop now or lose your position, simple. Spend the money on health care, alternate renewable energy sources & Education. Not bombs and machines of death.

Men, Women & Children are dying, I care not of what nation they come from, life is precious and should be preserved at all costs

If we just stood up and did whats right for a change, the world would change for the better.

Forget conspiracy's and such, the world changes for the worse in the blink of an eye.

I don't have all the answers, no one does, but we are getting lost, it's not to late to turn back.

At the very least look into civil disobedience, write to your member of parliament/Senate, make your voice heard. Stop the wars and bring the troops home.

Eminem/Marshall Mathers had it right in Mosh with it's politically charged message:-

EMINEM MOSH - Original Version

And ask yourself what you can do for your country and it's people.

Namaste. :smt109

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urogard wrote:Any information being used as argument but not being disclosed to the public is oviously a lie, otherwise there's no point in keeping it secret.
(I'm intentionally simplifying it cos it really is as simple as this)

Except for the **Filtered** reason of trying to keep good relations with people who were involved cos the public would want their heads.


aparrently you missed the very important reason that the military needs to keep things secret to function properly. if everything military was available to all people, more troops would die as a result. they need to maintain secrecy to carry out their job. if an enemy knows all about another country it would make that nation vulnerable. simple as.
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urogard wrote:Any information being used as argument but not being disclosed to the public is oviously a lie, otherwise there's no point in keeping it secret.
(I'm intentionally simplifying it cos it really is as simple as this)

Except for the **Filtered** reason of trying to keep good relations with people who were involved cos the public would want their heads.


aparrently you missed the very important reason that the military needs to keep things secret to function properly. if everything military was available to all people, more troops would die as a result. they need to maintain secrecy to carry out their job. if an enemy knows all about another country it would make that nation vulnerable. simple as.
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LiQuiD wrote:aparrently you missed the very important reason that the military needs to keep things secret to function properly. if everything military was available to all people, more troops would die as a result. they need to maintain secrecy to carry out their job. if an enemy knows all about another country it would make that nation vulnerable. simple as.

How does the military have anything to do with 9/11 and covering up of the truth.
You're jumping topics. Military secrets are a different sections, cos you will obviously not release your list of covert agents to the public.
I'm talking about the web of supposedly interconnected links between the people you mentioned (civilian people) that wasn't released to public fully.

And if there's any info about some covert assasinations (or anything else) they ordered and was a possible cause for the results as said web claims then they still will have to release it and maybe they should have thought of whether or not it was a good choice before they ordered the covert missions in the first place.
There is no good enough reason to keeping anything besides some crumbles of said web classified, therefore it is clear that it's nothing more than either a bunch of lies (in case it'd ever leak out) or really part of the truth (in which case it's obvious that bush & co. want to keep it secret cos i'm sure they'd enjoy being alive for the next few decades instead of being killed by a rampaging mob who found out what they planned)
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[KMA]Avenger wrote:i keep telling you but you wont listen...stop drinking fluoridated water, its not good for your brains!!!



LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Nice XD
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that was not a joke :wink:
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Has the Election Just Been Cancelled?


CNN is reporting that McCain has “suspended his campaign” and is asking Obama to do the same, due to the economic crisis.

Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain announced Wednesday that he is suspending his campaign to return to Washington and focus on the “historic” crisis facing the U.S. economy.

Is this the first step in canceling the elections due to “national emergency”?

Is that part of the reason that the U.S. military is permanently being deployed within the U.S. to deal with “civil unrest” and “crowd control”?

Many of us have been warning about this possibility for years.

Hopefully, McCain’s suspension of his campaign is just political posturing, and he will return to the campaign next week. Hopefully, this is not the first step in canceling the election.
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[KMA]Avenger wrote:Is that part of the reason that the U.S. military is permanently being deployed within the U.S. to deal with “civil unrest” and “crowd control”?
No military personnal are deployed within the US as Deploying means going to a country we are at war with.

de·ploy (d-ploi)
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a. To position (troops) in readiness for combat, as along a front or line.
b. To bring (forces or material) into action.
c. To base (a weapons system) in the field.
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[KMA]Avenger wrote:Is this the first step in canceling the elections due to “national emergency”?

yes, but only in the land of fairies, elves and talking fish.

in the real world id say very much no.

[KMA]Avenger wrote:Hopefully, this is not the first step in canceling the election.

it might be if the dwarfs stop their mining strike and the unicorn gets a new beard.

but in the actual fact based universe it wont be.


starting to see a pattern between the two? fantasy isnt real. lesson learned :shock:
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whose the one living in dreamland when you need to rely on arguments involving fairy tale creatures?

the real shame is that you cant see how ridiculous you look when you involve "elves" and "unicorns".
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official source reports say that FEMA has built between 600 and 800 prison camps (don't take my word for it, go look up FEMA camps for yourselves) and that the law which forbids the US military from policing the US civis has been suspended (its also mainstream news that iraq vets are being rotated and trained for crowd control, go look it up!), and you say i look ridiculous? :?

why do they feel the need to suspend Posse Comitatus?

and why do they need prefab jails, are they expecting the existing prisons and the 800 or so FEMA camps to be full anytime soon??

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Debate rages over blocks that can be snapped together to build prisons anywhere, at any time!

Pictures of concrete prison cells being unloaded from wagons in Utah earlier this month have surfaced on the internet, causing a storm of debate over their purpose.

The cells are designed specifically so they can be snapped together side by side and on top of each other like lego blocks to form rows and columns.

Each block looks to contain 2 cells of little more than six feet square each.

Those suspecting a sinister use for the cells have described them as “portable prisons” and argued that they may be being readied to deal with mass civil unrest in America.

The surfacing of the pictures dovetails with news that U.S. troops returning from duty in Iraq will be carrying out homeland patrols in America from October 1st in complete violation of Posse Comitatus for the purposes of helping with “civil unrest and crowd control”.

Others have also linked the discovery of the cells to a similar story of hundreds of thousands of plastic coffins recently uncovered in Georgia.

The less conspiracy minded have asserted that the precast concrete facilities have been in production since the 1980s and represent what is known as “modular construction”, which is also used sometimes to build hotels and other permanent structures.

“They integrate everything at the factory (lighting/plumbing/security hardware) and ship it directly to where ever the prison/jail/correctional facility/internment camp is at. Lift cells up, drop in place, splice a few wires and pipes, and voila! Instant prison.” writes one commenter on reddit.

What is not up for debate however is that the United States has less than 5 percent of the world’s population, but it now has almost a quarter of the world’s prisoners.

According to the prison studies center, the US has 751 people in prison or jail for every 100,000 in population. That means that if you count only adults, one in 100 Americans is locked up. Those figures dwarf any other nation, including China which is four times more populous than the US.

However, from these pictures it is apparent that there still aren’t enough cells, and more cheap and quick prisons are being built with taxpayer dollars.

Another fact not up for debate is that there is a coordinated federal government program to build civilian detention camps at undisclosed locations throughout the United States, in conjunction with the Army and the Pentagon.

There is no debate over the fact that the prison industry in the “land of the free” is out of control.

The pictures first appeared earlier this week on the alternative news website Fourwinds10.com.

According to the owners of that website, the pictures were taken on Monday, September 8 2008 at around 3 PM at University Ave, East Bay, Provo in Utah.

Since that time they have spread to various forums and websites, sparking off a lively debate as to who these cells are for and in what circumstances their use is envisioned.[/spoiler]


and you say i look ridiculous?? :?

i don't mean to come across as patronizing or big headed, but you people better get your heads out of the clouds and start taking note of whats going on!
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Hate to burst your bubble, Avenger. But these cells you see in those pictures are used to keep a minimum number of prisoners in while cells in a jail are being reconstructed (modernized).
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