Legalize Marijuana - Yay or Nay

[Mister Sandman]

but there is a need

There is a 'want' there is no 'need'

[R D Anderson]

yea i hav a want right now

[xXxsephirothxXx]

but there is a need

There is a 'want' there is no 'need'

Meh i smell a lazy person who has nothing and is currently thinking up excuses

I have seen some ill effects of it.. one of my friends completely passed out while standing, was pretty funny haha

[R D Anderson]

thats what that smell woz?? i thought corran farted into the thread and ran away

marijuana should not only be legalized, but be knighted by the queen too

[Kit-Fox]

This kind of discussion has involved Sandman before, hence I would think his reluctance to post again, especially as all of his reason are based upon biased and incomplete evidence and theories.

For example in this thread alone Sanman mentions that it should be illegal for the 'obvious moral reasons'. Moral in this case is what Sandman himself decides is moral and of course as he alone is chosen by god to be the most holy upon this earth he must be right.

As for health reasons, well again Sandman has overlooked that the plant from which cannabis is derived is Hemp which was used and in some countries you'll find still is used to created bandages (for all sorts of uses including cold compresses, which would release some of the active THC {albeit in small, tiny amounts}) and that the oli created from hemp was and is used to clean wounds. I have of course just mentioned those uses that I can verify are still in use today. Of course smoking cannabis releases THC into the bloodstream which is a relaxant, your blood vessels expand in size and your muscles relax while you are under its influence. All of which can be very helpful for a wide variety of conditions which once again Sandman has overlooked.

And we have before gone round & round the well established fact that the effects drugs have on society is widely because of poor education and drugs been pushed onto those who cant afford them or shouldnt use them in the first place. A comprehensive education (for all ages) about drugs would have to take place first before the effects on society can be minimised. However the people to blame for this arent the drug users but the people who drove it so far underground in the first place, ie el gov.

[~Thamuz~]

I've got many reasons why i think Rastafarian Old Holborn should be legalised here are just a few.

Government studies report that 1 acre of hemp equals 4.1 acres of trees. (U.S. Department of Agriculture Archives.)
Hemp has a higher quality fiber than wood fiber. Far fewer caustic chemicals are required to make paper from hemp than from trees. Hemp paper does not turn yellow and is very durable. The plant grows quickly to maturity in a season where trees take a lifetime.

Hemp plastic panels impact strength is 10 times stronger than steel. (Popular Mechanics, 1941.)
Just think how much lighter, stronger and safer they could make cars for instance.

Hemp cultivation and production do not harm the environment. The USDA Bulletin #404 concluded that hemp produces four times as much pulp with at least four to seven times less pollution.

All plastic products should be made from hemp seed oil. Hempen plastics are biodegradable! Over time, they would break down and not harm the environment. Oil-based plastics, the ones we are very familiar with, help ruin nature. They do not break down and will do great harm in the future.

World hunger could end. A large variety of food products can be generated from hemp. The seeds contain one of the highest sources of protein in nature. Also: They have two essential fatty acids that clean your body of cholesterol. These essential fatty acids are not found anywhere else in nature! Consuming pot seeds is the best thing you could do for your body. Eat uncooked hemp seeds.

Half a million deaths each year are caused by tobacco. Half a million deaths each year are caused by alcohol. No one has ever, ever died from smoking pot!!
In the entire history of the human race, not one death can be attributed to cannabis. Our society has outlawed grass but condones the use of the killers: tobacco and alcohol.

And last but not least some of therapeutic effects that cannabis has in the medical world.

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[Kit-Fox]

I avoided doing a mass qoute of that material Thamuz, becasue I'm not sure all of it is back by fully research emprical evidence. While Hemp does have a lot of uses and indeed is very versatile some of the statements made on the site you grabbed that from really do need som serious backing up

[~Thamuz~]

I avoided doing a mass qoute of that material Thamuz, becasue I'm not sure all of it is back by fully research emprical evidence. While Hemp does have a lot of uses and indeed is very versatile some of the statements made on the site you grabbed that from really do need som serious backing up

Thats why i was picky and only choose the ones which had been researched by U.S. Department of Agriculture, the others are just to add a bit of perspective about this "EVIL" drug when you put it side by side with legal drugs like nicotene and alcohol.

[Poppler King]

That was a lovely piece to read Thamuz, i've come across everything you mentioned there and it was put forward very well i must say. Although i'm not sure if cars made out of hemp products would be better than carbon fibre and i'm too tired to look it up now but when that study was done it certainly was truthful.

To Mister Sandman i'm not going to bother to go through your reasons for cannabis to be illegal because you seem to be above giving us that courtesy, but what i will say is that its the uneducated masses like you who are the reason that cannabis is still illegal.

(Please note by uneducated i mean you are uneducated when it comes to cannabis, i'm not making a personal jab at you but due to the unexplained reasons you gave for keeping cannabis illegal it is quite obvious you know very little about the drug)

Jack you'd probably be surprised how many more marijuana smokers you've actually talked to without realising, WE'RE EVERYWHERE

[BMMJ13]

Nay :- For the obvious moral [...] reasons.

Keep your BS ideals of morality to yourself, princess. No one here cares for it.


That said, I also vote no. Every single pothead I have ever met has made Sandman here look like Einstein with the class of an old rich gentleman...

I say no just to piss off Alex, however it could solve economic problems in certain american states that enjoy its medical benefits already *cough* California *cough* *cough*extreme taxation *cough*

[Alex]

Nay :- For the obvious moral [...] reasons.

Keep your BS ideals of morality to yourself, princess. No one here cares for it.


That said, I also vote no. Every single pothead I have ever met has made Sandman here look like Einstein with the class of an old rich gentleman...

I say no just to piss off Alex, however it could solve economic problems in certain american states that enjoy its medical benefits already *cough* California *cough* *cough*extreme taxation *cough*

Ur just jelous cuz i live in cali and u live in like... a barn.

[Phlamingoe]

Nay, cause Alex is stupid

[lordernest]

yeah i agree with thamuz

[Mister Sandman]

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but there is a need

There is a 'want' there is no 'need'

Meh i smell a lazy person who has nothing and is currently thinking up excuses

I have seen some ill effects of it.. one of my friends completely passed out while standing, was pretty funny haha

Well it is a fact that it is a want. Statistically only 1% of Americans would smoke pot on a daily basis. [/spoiler]

[spoiler]

This kind of discussion has involved Sandman before, hence I would think his reluctance to post again, especially as all of his reason are based upon biased and incomplete evidence and theories. There are many credible studies that show, without a doubt that marijuana is health, economic and social risks directly and indirectly associated with it.

For example in this thread alone Sanman mentions that it should be illegal for the 'obvious moral reasons'. Moral in this case is what Sandman himself decides is moral and of course as he alone is chosen by god to be the most holy upon this earth he must be right.It isnt just that.

As for health reasons, well again Sandman has overlooked that the plant from which cannabis is derived is Hemp which was used and in some countries you'll find still is used to created bandages (for all sorts of uses including cold compresses, which would release some of the active THC {albeit in small, tiny amounts}) and that the oli created from hemp was and is used to clean wounds. I have of course just mentioned those uses that I can verify are still in use today. Of course smoking cannabis releases THC into the bloodstream which is a relaxant, your blood vessels expand in size and your muscles relax while you are under its influence. All of which can be very helpful for a wide variety of conditions which once again Sandman has overlooked.

However that is widely irrelevant. Note your bold areas, you state "the plant from which cannabis is derived is Hemp". This is not in dispute. They arent technically the same thing. Thus, your argument, is irrelevant.

Go Here To look at the differences butween, marijuana and hemp.


And we have before gone round & round the well established fact that the effects drugs have on society is widely because of poor education and drugs been pushed onto those who cant afford them or shouldnt use them in the first place.
Folks what he says here is " If your rich, you can use whatever drug you want because well your rich and have a high education and can afford it so... enjoy..." (Lawyers would love you)

A comprehensive education (for all ages) about drugs would have to take place first before the effects on society can be minimised. However the people to blame for this arent the drug users but the people who drove it so far underground in the first place, ie el gov.

If a government places the law to make murder illegal , and someone murders, due to 'poor education' who is at fault? the murder or the government who placed the law?
If you drink and drive. And you get caught. Who is at fault?
The person who made the law or you? same principle applies here. Education does not = wisdom or any sense of logic. Age does not = Wisdom or any sense of logic.

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[spoiler]

To Mister Sandman i'm not going to bother to go through your reasons for cannabis to be illegal because you seem to be above giving us that courtesy, but what i will say is that its the uneducated masses like you who are the reason that cannabis is still illegal.

(Please note by uneducated i mean you are uneducated when it comes to cannabis, i'm not making a personal jab at you but due to the unexplained reasons you gave for keeping cannabis illegal it is quite obvious you know very little about the drug)

I am highly educated in the effects of drugs, all kinds. Personal education (Primary studies) and theory. I have noted, that all my friends who started to take pot last year; who were A-B students, are now struggling to pass. Because 'dope' or pot has made them dopy.

In addition, I understand that you may think i am uneducated, because i dont point out the pros, but honestly, there isnt really relevant pros in actually smoking it. It is like smoking tobacco, waste of money, harms your health. ect.

Note, ive been through this before, hence, i cbf repeating myself.[/spoiler]



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Please visit http://www.drugabuse.gov/Infofacts/marijuana.html
http://salvos.org.au/need-help/drugs-an ... IJUANA.pdf
http://www.acde.org/common/Marijana.htm

[Poppler King]

Ok i'm gonna do a big response to Sandmans last post in a day or two but I just don't have the time at the mo. First though i just wanna say cannabis isn't harmful to your health. Smoking it can be harmful to your lung obviously, but there are other ways of gettin high without having to skin up a spliff, Vaporisers mean you are just inhaling the THC vapor into your lungs which has no proven effects on humans health. If anyone mentions that stoners can't seem to remember anything(Take me for example, my skins seem to have disappeared... very irritating ) well anyone cannaibs only effects short term memory when under the influence of it, So if you wanna come home after work and have a spliff to relax, there is nothing to worry about it making you stupid which is just a false rumour which has spread in different forms from the idioctic film "Reefer Madness".

On a side note... my grades dropped from A's to C's in the two years after i first started drinking, In the last year i've seriously cut down on my drinking and takin up smoking more, and i think everyone saw this coming but yeah my grades have risen, Not by much but thats because it was just first year of UNI... And yes i did somehow manage to cut down on drinking by going to college.