Another Life on Another Planet?

[KnowLedge]

I was about to point out.. that the Earth is what, 4.5billion years old? A third or so the age of the actual galaxy/universe. In that 4.5billion years it has taken 3.5billion years for life to spring to our level from where it started.

Now to put it simply, are you telling me that it's not possible during the other 8.5-9billion years a similar situation could not have arisen? Even if there is a variation or lee-way of say 100million years (yes, that small) that's more than enough time for a species such as ours to have developed, surpassed our level of development, created an intergalactic empire and destroyed themselves leaving little to no evidence.

see what my original point was that for the galaxy milkey way, it took it the other 8 billion years to create this solar system.. but as others pointed out, other galaxies may be created at a faster rate.. and tahts why life can be more intelligent

[Lithium]

as far as i know our solar system is not part of milkey way but near collision with it

[bleedingblue]

assassin, let me ask you something:
hypothetically, lets say that you play a VERY large role in the decision making process of what goes on in a space-faring race. say your their equivalant of a president, or prime minister. now, lets say that 1 of your ships has discovered sentient life on another planet, evelved enough to have an extensive (and for all you know, limitless) knowledge of science and war. what do you do?

[KnowLedge]

I Think i know where ur going with this.. you expect me to say, "id leave them alone and observe them" correct?

but it really depends on many many things.. but most probeble answer would be to take over the planet and have our people immigrate there.. since life planets are very rare

[Kit-Fox]

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[bleedingblue]

kitfox is right, planets able to sustain life arent as rare as you believe them to be, but the actual organisms that life actually spring from ARE.

actually no, you answered how i expected you to answer: with a poke at the question and then an answer not too far off what you said. i asked it for 2 reason:
1) as a hypothetical (which very well could be true) to bring about a point, and
2) to test something out, which you've shown me is a completely correct assumption.

answers:
1) that may be what you see happening, but that sort of thing is ALL hollywood trash fed to ppl as a means of entertainment. SHOULD a space-faring race discover us, now or a century ago, their reaction would be one of two things: secrecy (aka, they'd go away and leave us to our daily routines and lifes, giving no signs of their existence). this is more so out of fear than curiosity, like the way a man fears a snake but a snake fears the man much more. the other reaction would be just as simple: observation, as you pointed out. observation of us and assessment of whether or not we are a threat. simple as that. no contact, no war, no nothing.

2) you watch WAY too many movies/tv shows/crackpot theory specials (eg, you buy into the "information" fed to you through various entertainment outlets, extra emphasis on the ENTERTAINMENT part, and form hypothesis off of that information). dont feel bad about it, far too many ppl do it, i'd just suggest putting any topic you come up with like this in the General Discussion section of the forums from now on, although i do appreciate educating ppl, as little much of that as im doing, now and again...

[KnowLedge]

2) you watch WAY too many movies/tv shows

indeed i do..

but i dont agree with your first assumption.. if our race discovers a planet, we would go rite and to habit it, disregarding who lives on it.. simply because the earth cant support the growth of people..

similarly, if they are that technologically advanced, they must be in trouble with their populations.. their planet wouldn't be able to support their pop. and then there only choice would be to take over earth.

[Rudy Peña]

Hello everyone,

I would like to say a few things, As for our sun, our sun will turn into a red giant and will expand untill it reaches the Earth(or a little past it) and will stop, then it will turn into a white dwarf(or a brown one, I forgot). It will take a sun/star to go supernova or turn into blackhole, three times our sun.

As for other life forms, they can be either carbon based, like us or they can be silcon based life forms. The other civilizations out there could be more advanced than us whether in terms of evolution or technology, there are way to many varibles to take into account. They may have never had any related to our Dark Ages or didnt have as many wars. They may not have the same types of govenments that we use or they may have figured out how to fly and make planes a few hundred years before us. They may have mastered Cold Fussion(or is it spelled Fission???) already.

As for Earth, We have the technology to trave into space and study and learn about our solar system, but we care to much about oil and money and petty things like that. And the fact that we are scared of the things happening like the shuttle distears that have happened a few times. In the early 1970s, people purposed that we make a colony on the moon, we could at least been traveling to the moon and back and possily Mar's by now or at least making efforts of going to mars.


Thank you for your time everyone.

[bleedingblue]

ZOMG RUDY!!! i still have a planet named after you my friend!

however, rudy brings up a valid point that i've already stated multiple time: TOO MANY VARIABLES!!!

when you are thinking of these possibilities assassin, you are assuming their society to be much like our own, that is a similar sense of self-preservance, similar government structure, and similar motives (eg, dying planet, overpopulation, etc etc...). another thing that you project onto these possible other sentient life forms is our nature itself. look at the animals in the wild. they kill what they need to survive, protect their domain from others, but aside from that live alongside and in harmony with the rest of the many forest aimals frolicking around. we as humans, on the otherhand, do not. by all definitions, we ARE a virus. we kill, consume, and destroy everything in our path. "what about the forests we're saving, the movements we're making to save the planet...?" my answer to that is simple: we save only what needs to be saved in order to secure our survival, not even as a species as a whole. the fact that we arent a unified race (eg, many countries, not everyone has the same loyalties, uncooperative, etc etc) severly limited the advance of technology in ALL fields, as it still does today.

i can already tell that you will not listen to actual intelligence on the matter, nor logic nor reasoning. you're too closed (or small, take your pick) minded

[Rudy Peña]

Hey there, long time no talk.


Bleedingblue, I agree with all of your posts in this thread.

[bleedingblue]

lol, im trying to be civil and kind, but i am getting the feeling that he wont get the point. everyone's entitled to their opinion, but it doesnt mean i wont argue the point!

when did you get back ingame? we'll have to do some talkaging nd the like. pm me on forums and we'll get to some msn or something!

[Kit-Fox]

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[KnowLedge]

when you are thinking of these possibilities assassin, you are assuming their society to be much like our own, that is a similar sense of self-preservance, similar government structure, and similar motives (eg, dying planet, overpopulation, etc etc...). another thing that you project onto these possible other sentient life forms is our nature itself. look at the animals in the wild. they kill what they need to survive, protect their domain from others, but aside from that live alongside and in harmony with the rest of the many forest aimals frolicking around. we as humans, on the otherhand, do not. by all definitions, we ARE a virus. we kill, consume, and destroy everything in our path. "what about the forests we're saving, the movements we're making to save the planet...?" my answer to that is simple: we save only what needs to be saved in order to secure our survival, not even as a species as a whole. the fact that we arent a unified race (eg, many countries, not everyone has the same loyalties, uncooperative, etc etc) severly limited the advance of technology in ALL fields, as it still does today.

there is nothing close mindedness or anything. What Im saying is. Other beings wont be more intelligent then us. Intelligent is an evolutionary thing and 2000 or 20000 does not do much to evolution.

when i say that im assuming things are gonna be same, theres a reason why im assuming that. The only reason we got this far is because we are this way. everyone of those things you said are the reason why are got this far. slight change would cause us to diverge.
the final point is, that the fact that we kill each other and we do things for survival doesnt do anything to our intelligence. which is an evolutionary trait (it changes over time).
If we had 2000 years more time, we would have more technology but we that would not make us more intelligent in any way. There needs to be a bigger gap in that.

large time intervels will change us. like for example 65 million years.. but not 2000 or 20000. i say 2000 because thats how much we time we have had to get this far.. i know before that we were slowing our process down, but it doesnt matter because evolution is to slow and thus thousands of years dont matter.

and to your other point, i am not close minded, because i accepted the point that others made above me about solar system creation, but the one you and some others are making about us (humans) slowing down our own process doesnt matter much when it comes down to evolution.

you just posted a topic about something you couldnt even begin to fathom the massive amount of variables, and in turn the complexities of each variable, let alone the complexity of the ideas. im not pretending, nor am i going to pretend, to understand, all of those complexities either, but i can tell you dont know that much.

i must have not read this part before or else i woulda countered it.
im only trying to base my theory on what i know. and im sure you dont know either. i mean if you did you can prove me wrong completely and id believe you. if indeed what you say is "correct" then i should have no trouble believing what you are saying.
do you have any theory? all you are doing is just thinking and posting things that would counter what im trying to say in a very sad mannor

in the end, i agree there there are many many variables that i havnt taken into account. I only took time in to account. but non of these variable are things that you talk of..

edit.. if you actually want a real "science/philosophy forum" why are you on sgw looking for it.. this is a gaming world with people who watch movies nothing else lol.. im sure you can find something for yourself on google

[KnowLedge]

As for other life forms, they can be either carbon based, like us or they can be silcon based life forms.

this was something intresting.. but i would wonder why they would use silicon when carbon requires less energy?

[Kit-Fox]

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