ancient stories and accounts of the gods.

[[KMA]Avenger]

@RepliMagni:


mate, lets forget 1000 or even 800 tonne stones, if you was quarrying a stone of 1 tonne, would have started quarrying even a 1 tonne stone if you had no way of moving it, even if it was only to move it a few 100 yards? or would you have sorted out the logistics before hand?

there's no way to be sure why the stone was left 3/4's cut, could be anything, some say the stone cracked, others say different reasons, again 1 things for sure, if our ancestors could cut such a rock with such accuracy then cutting stones then figuring out how to move them would be to them stupid.


@Juliet:

this is what this thread is about, its not about me babbling on about whatever, its about other people showing us their findings and we can debate those as well




have a look at these stones guys:

http://www.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&q= ... a=N&tab=wi



the stones are so perfectly cut that you cant slip a sheet of paper between them, and no mortar was used, these stones have reportedly withstood earthquakes due to their interconnecting shapes.



for those of you who love this kind of stuff watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PotS7hPQ ... re=related

its an amazing documentary i first saw it about 12 years ago now (nothing to do with aliens or anything like that). the best part is when they turn their attention to the sphinx


exert from the documentary The Mysterious Origins of Man. Piri Ries map explained...sort of: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt2GYyGT ... re=related

[Thriller]

Shush, Magniman. [spoiler]3) The Ramesseum, Egypt - The Ramesseum is the memorial temple of Pharaoh Ramesses II. Originally called the House of millions of years of Usermaatra-setepenra that unites with Thebes-the-city in the domain of Amon.

In front of the ruins is the base of the colossus of Ramesses. On the granite colossus's shoulder is an inscription describing Ramesses as the "sun of Princes". The statue fell into the Second Court and the head and torso remain there, but the other broken pieces are in museums all over the world.

Only fragments of the base and torso remain of the colossal statue of the enthroned Ramasses, (19m high and weighing around 1000 tons). The stone for the statue was transported 170 miles over land from Aswan to Thebes. This would have once been the largest statue (except statues carved in situ) in the world.[/spoiler]Uhh.. win. 1Mg, moved over 170 miles? Kewl! Must've been some boat ride over the Nile.. But wait! That's not it.

[spoiler]4) The Colossi of Memnon, Egypt. -
These two giants were built from a single piece of stone each. They are orientated towards the sunrise at winter solstice (12)

Estimates: 2 x 1,000 tons (11), 2 x 600 tons (2)

(Inter. Herald Tribune (22/23 Dec 1973).) - 720 tons

(R. T. Gould; A book of Marvels; 1937, p. 133.) - 1200 tons.

The statues are made from blocks of quartzite sandstone which was stone quarried at el-Gabal el Ahmar (near modern-day Cairo) and transported 420 miles over land without using the Nile to Thebes. They are too heavy to transport upstream on the Nile. The mortuary temple, built for the eighteenth-dynasty king Amenhotep III (c. 1390-1352 BC), that once stood behind these two figures was completely stripped for its masonry.[/spoiler] Those are quite the rocks, even by the lightest estimates. 420 miles over land?


Anyway. Gods? Anything, or anyone, in possession of sufficiently advanced technology, will appear at first a 'wizard' and, as their technology is more and more beyond the imagination of their contemporaries, ultimately divine.
Of course, it helps when such technology is internalised, integrated in the one possessing it. But then, a space suit for example, would we recognise that it's a suit, and not the being itself? And we all know how much tech we can stuff into a suit already. Oh well.. to each their own conclusions.




But I'll say this. If those monuments are strictly of human origin (that they built them is beyond contest, but what inspired them, that is what I mean with "of human origin"), we as a species have lost our sense of imagination. Big shame. We should build ourselves a monument and be the envy of .. well .. the world. Why not? We're not that unique. Act out. Build a monument.

Indentured servants are so lazy nowadays, i don't think they have the back for it.

[Juliette]

We should start a cult.
Then when we have 100k people, we allocate 80k to resource gathering, 10k to defence and 10k to building efforts.
Wait.

That's Age of Empires.
*facepalm*

On a more serious note.. no. I forgot.

[[KMA]Avenger]

http://www.dopotopa.com/lang1/the_earli ... ted_i.html

a nice little read...if you can get past the spelling mistakes and grammatical errors that is.

[KnowLedge]

bear in mind that the ancient Indian Sanskrit epics of the Mahabarata (which is 10 times longer than Homers Odyssey and Iliad combined) is an ancient "account" of "the gods" flying around doing damage to each other and the earth, using EXTREMELY advanced weaponry scorching everything with beams of light.

you are quoting the Mahabarata? This is a portion of the actual hindu history thats out there. There are countless writings, including the vades that go on and on about technology that is already discovered and yet to be discovered.

and my theory: these story are too large to be complete "imagnative", therefore god is real and these stories are real, atleats to me.

These stories are all very vast and would take time to explain, especially those that havnt got a clue. But another intresting fact is that these stories/writings connect to writing of other religions around the world.. They all have connections, things that are similar (very specificly similar). Im sure you can find these connections with a little bit of reading.
but what does this suggest? it suggests that these stories are real, otherwise why would people from all over the globe have the same stories?

conclusion: they are real, and if u say "there is no god", then you are uneducated in these writings

[[KMA]Avenger]

eh?

i only gave the mahabarata as a source and not the vedas or the rest of the Indian epics because as you rightly point out, they would take to long to explain.

looks like you have some knowledge of the Indian epics as well as some knowledge of the other "stories" from around the globe. do you know about the Chinese epics where they speak of the stars falling and what was up is now down, and what was down is now up?

the Chinese describe how the stars shifted positions and the whole earth was in upheaval and the sun didn't rise for a number of days (i think its 9 days, cant remember). and on the other side of the world, the American Indians also have stories where the heavens and the earth were in upheaval and the sun didn't set for the same amount of days.

when you say "god" are you referring to the god of the bible? if so, how does the "god" of the bible relate to the Indian epics when they clearly speak of other worldly beings flying around in "Vimanas"?


personally, i see the bible as a historical record which has been covered up, not a religious text.

[KnowLedge]

When i say "god" i mean anyone that has higher power then us, that can be anyone that made us or anyone that got us into existence..

as i pointed out, I believe all the religion have the same God. Becuase the stories all are similar everywhere around the world. lots of similarities are pointed out, and these cant just be coincidence.

[[KMA]Avenger]

AH! i'm with you now

yep your right, no way it can be coincidence. 1,2,3 or even 4 such "stories" can be dismissed as coincidence, but when you have so many from all over the world and from different epochs as well...

[[KMA]Avenger]

What specific mountain tops? Because the earth has changed over millions of years. Oceans disappear, mountains are formed. How old are the fish findings? A few thousand years old, and hence possibly in the time of mankind? Or a few hundred million?

http://www.answersingenesis.org/article ... -creatures


thats not the same source as i had on my PC before its complete and total meltdown, but its good enough: http://www.answersingenesis.org/article ... -creatures

[[KMA]Avenger]

firstly, apologies for the multiple posts.

2ndly: have a look here people: http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=h ... -QbPybjCBA

i have a few questions...


1, the obelisk is in a pit, question, how the hell were they going to lift a 1100+ stone using man power and basic tools?

2, the bottom of the stone hasn't been cut from the bedrock, how the hell were they going to cut it free from the quarry?

lets examine that last question in greater detail. lets assume they had some kind of power tool and diamond drill bit, OR a saw to cut it free. if they had some kind of power tool, how the hell would the drill bit turn with such massive weight on top of it?
if its a saw, again, how would it move given all that weight is on top of it, and 2ndly, there's no room on the sides to allow the saw to move left to right!

3rd, how the hell did they shape the damned thing in such a confined space...look at the bottom left corner of the obelisk and look at how smooth the thing is on top, why bother doing anything with it while its still in its surrounding pit? wouldn't have been easier to just cut a massive lump out of the side of the quarry and then shape it when its free??



and look here:
http://www.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&q= ... a=N&tab=wi


look at the intricacies of the stonework at Cuzco, it seems like the ancient builders went out of their way to what seems to us, the impossible!

[KnowLedge]

maybe it fell

[Hitchkok]

1, the obelisk is in a pit, question, how the hell were they going to lift a 1100+ stone using man power and basic tools?

Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move the world - archimedes of syracuse.

[[KMA]Avenger]

aside from a few wise cracks (and its only my opinion mind you), i think this topic deserves a bit more thought and a few more responses.

[KnowLedge]

what.. you dont thing it fell?

its obvious that the statue fell, and the excavation people dug beside it..

[[KMA]Avenger]

what do you mean it fell?

it cut itself, polished itself and then fell into the pit and fused to the bottom?

or, materialized from thin air and fell out of the clear blue sky and again, fused with the surrounding stone?

or, its some aliens trash he through out the window while flying past our nice blue planet?



do me a favour and stop talking crap!!!