Ragnarök : DDE & Allies vs Terran Family

[Norbe]

On the respect note (reaction to what Norbe said) : I think I can say the current mH members always treated all Terran Family members with respect during this war. To be fair, thats maybe easy to say becaus we are not numerous either :p, atm considering active players thats yoyo and myself, it is what it is...

During my already long SGW career, I think most of the time I have been at war with TA and TL. I admire your alliances teamwork and relentlessness to go on (with long wars). Fighting you guys always has kept me on the edge, feeling the need to improve my account and to keep building defence and go on myself.

Just to elaborate on my respect point (also helps answer Reborns point).

There are still individuals within DDE with who I do hold respect for. That does include Rodwolf and other mH members. I maintain no ill will to Mayhem and find it sad that what was once a very formidable independent alliance (we had some amazingly tough fought wars back in history) has been diminished by association with DDE to the point of only having two active players.

Yes. Attempts have been made to bring both sides to the table. Reborn pointed out that Harchester did once, Trux also tried at one point. I'm sure there were a couple others. The key problem is that DDE leadership has conducted itself so poorly during the course of this war that the desire for a diplomatic solution no longer exists.

@Tziki: Being at peace means not taking hostile actions. Deliberately targeted farming of 150 hits a day is not peaceful. An agreement may allow you to hit every time there is X naq or more out, however any one who hits as much as they can is not following the spirit of an agreement with the purpose to minimises attacks whilst allowing "occasional good naq hits".
As mathlord has said our principle is "leave us alone and we'll leave you alone".

~Norbe~

[qacol]

Holy crap... I just read all that.. I must have drank too much over the years and can't remember anything.

Kill them all.....

Qacol
Wolf Pups
TA
Ricos
PAYPAL PIMPS
DDE

[Führer]

Yes. Attempts have been made to bring both sides to the table. Reborn pointed out that Harchester did once, Trux also tried at one point. I'm sure there were a couple others. The key problem is that DDE leadership has conducted itself so poorly during the course of this war that the desire for a diplomatic solution no longer exists.

I guess you're forgetting all the idiots in TAF over the years that have also been very obnoxious, funny that.
If you REALLY wanted to end it for the greater good of the community/game then you would.
No ifs, no buts, no coconuts....Plain & simple fact is you don't want to end it because your ego will not let you settle as an equal and come out saying "good job guys, until next time".
You have to come out on top being "the best" if you can't then you will destroy the game trying to do so.
We have made attempts & from our side I believe the desire is still there, if you had even the slightest concern in regards to helping the game prolong you would put your own selfish needs/wants aside & be having talks with one another.
But is that happening, nope.

I personally would like to see an end to it (not because I am sick of fighting) but more so to see the community to grow once again & give the smaller guys a chance to build their accounts again.

But hey, do what you will....

[Flintcawk]

Andrew my hero!
Missing your posts too reply back. we had a special chemistry
Maybe ill replace you with loki

[Führer]

Andrew my hero!
Missing your posts too reply back. we had a special chemistry
Maybe ill replace you with loki

Haha, i'll be back soon enough for our little chats bae

[Mathlord]

150 attacks in a day, farming, inside the agreement.

1) its inside the agreement. It doesnt matter what you "feel" you agreed it, I exercised it. Its not my fault you lack the common sense to realise if you agree im allowed to do it, then im going to do it...

Those attacks were within the agreement. When we realized the extent of the farming you were going to do on us, we realized the agreement as it stood was not going to work for us. So we talked about renegotiating it to be more in keeping with something that would satisfy both of us. Again, we were being nice in letting you guys out of the war. We weren't doing it out of necessity for us.

2) "you do nothing at all to us and you are at least a modicum of occasional entertainment" If i made 150 attacks in a day, and you wanted to restart the war then clearly i did do something to you. So as usual you contradict yourself.

It's funny how that short period when you were out of the war was the most active you've really been in our logs. What I mean by not doing anything to us is that you don't mass us. If you're going to farm us outside of war or inside of war (and your farming was actually more intense while not at war with us) then why shouldn't we be at war lol?

3) This wasnt started by us. You refused to make repayments to a member, after i had done so several times.

Look at who started the war thread

4) Diplo talks wont go well when you send Hokie to do them...

Same can be said for talking to you haha.

I agree as of late i've not been very active or done much towards you in the way of war but i've been busy working and studying and honestly just dont have the cash to waste trying to keep up, however we are only in this war on account of a traiitor that wanted my help diplomatically, and then fled the alliance when you refused to repay. He now resides in Judgement.

So you'll have to excuse me if i lack both the time, cash and frankly the motive. To mass you every day.

Though i do build when i can =]

This game is supposed to be fun, no worries if you don't have the time to come mass us, do what you want to do...maybe instead of every day you could at least mass me...once? Please? it's fun...other people enjoy it. It turns me on.

[Mathlord]

Oh and all defenses are massed again. Woo party.

[Mental]

[harchester]

On the respect note (reaction to what Norbe said) : I think I can say the current mH members always treated all Terran Family members with respect during this war. To be fair, thats maybe easy to say becaus we are not numerous either :p, atm considering active players thats yoyo and myself, it is what it is...

During my already long SGW career, I think most of the time I have been at war with TA and TL. I admire your alliances teamwork and relentlessness to go on (with long wars). Fighting you guys always has kept me on the edge, feeling the need to improve my account and to keep building defence and go on myself.

Just to elaborate on my respect point (also helps answer Reborns point).

There are still individuals within DDE with who I do hold respect for. That does include Rodwolf and other mH members. I maintain no ill will to Mayhem and find it sad that what was once a very formidable independent alliance (we had some amazingly tough fought wars back in history) has been diminished by association with DDE to the point of only having two active players.

Yes. Attempts have been made to bring both sides to the table. Reborn pointed out that Harchester did once, Trux also tried at one point. I'm sure there were a couple others. The key problem is that DDE leadership has conducted itself so poorly during the course of this war that the desire for a diplomatic solution no longer exists.

@Tziki: Being at peace means not taking hostile actions. Deliberately targeted farming of 150 hits a day is not peaceful. An agreement may allow you to hit every time there is X naq or more out, however any one who hits as much as they can is not following the spirit of an agreement with the purpose to minimises attacks whilst allowing "occasional good naq hits".
As mathlord has said our principle is "leave us alone and we'll leave you alone".

~Norbe~

Correct - I did, at the time we felt (DDE) that my relations with TF be put to use, by speaking with Greg and the other TF hcs to come up with a reasonable end.

The term of 6months peace was to sweeten the deal however at points dde didn't like it however that was expected, but slowly people changed minds and slowly people wanted the peace time to enjoy the game again to enjoy chance to rebuild and fight new wars or do something different in the game.

With no clear winner due to activity changing from TF to DDE, at time we would be boooming with life and others not same goes from
TF (wars are won with activity and just like wars are started with a change of leadership we felt a change of face (me) would work in the benefit and remove the hostilities between the allainces) but the discussion happened and terms were discussed neither side could compromise.

Surrenders were never going to happen.

It seemed calling the war a draw a stalemate both sides put aside the bad blood to say it happened it's in the past we moved on and that's it. Was never going to happen

Even the idea of a nice speech written by myself and other dde hc to congratulate TF and commend both TF and dde for hard fought war acknowledging both side done well despite our difference we could unite for the sake of the game and have peace was never going to happen.

- peoples egos from both sides wanted this war to continue their desires to burn the enemies alliance to the ground, I want to almost say hatred for each other continue this war.

And while the war rages those on both sides desiring it to end refuse to bring it to the end because some HC are able to block etc

If talks should re commence then suggestion that talks about the end result and not the past or why the war started should be the priority.

[Norbe]

On the respect note (reaction to what Norbe said) : I think I can say the current mH members always treated all Terran Family members with respect during this war. To be fair, thats maybe easy to say becaus we are not numerous either :p, atm considering active players thats yoyo and myself, it is what it is...

During my already long SGW career, I think most of the time I have been at war with TA and TL. I admire your alliances teamwork and relentlessness to go on (with long wars). Fighting you guys always has kept me on the edge, feeling the need to improve my account and to keep building defence and go on myself.

Just to elaborate on my respect point (also helps answer Reborns point).

There are still individuals within DDE with who I do hold respect for. That does include Rodwolf and other mH members. I maintain no ill will to Mayhem and find it sad that what was once a very formidable independent alliance (we had some amazingly tough fought wars back in history) has been diminished by association with DDE to the point of only having two active players.

Yes. Attempts have been made to bring both sides to the table. Reborn pointed out that Harchester did once, Trux also tried at one point. I'm sure there were a couple others. The key problem is that DDE leadership has conducted itself so poorly during the course of this war that the desire for a diplomatic solution no longer exists.

@Tziki: Being at peace means not taking hostile actions. Deliberately targeted farming of 150 hits a day is not peaceful. An agreement may allow you to hit every time there is X naq or more out, however any one who hits as much as they can is not following the spirit of an agreement with the purpose to minimises attacks whilst allowing "occasional good naq hits".
As mathlord has said our principle is "leave us alone and we'll leave you alone".

~Norbe~

I want to almost say hatred for each other continue this war.

And while the war rages those on both sides desiring it to end refuse to bring it to the end because some HC are able to block etc

If talks should re commence then suggestion that talks about the end result and not the past or why the war started should be the priority.

Hatred and anger. That's about the long and the short of it. It's not really ego. It's not about the start of the war; we were on good terms back then and could probably have ended it easily after a couple of months. It's the conduct of people during this war that have crossed too many lines for us to just call an end to it. It's likely most of the individuals within DDE would be free to go if they approached us and asked.

~Norbe~

[Mental]

Some people go too far and forget it is but a game, I play for fun, I may dislike some people in this game but I have no room for hate as hate is the path to the dark side

[Führer]

I AM YOUR FATHER

[Mental]

I AM YOUR FATHER

NoO0oo0oo0o0o0oo0O

[harchester]

I AM YOUR FATHER

NoO0oo0oo0o0o0oo0O

I am y0 daddy he is your mamma

[Führer]

I AM YOUR FATHER

NoO0oo0oo0o0o0oo0O

I am y0 daddy he is your mamma

Getting your gender mixed up again i see boiiiii