Massive Tech Idea and Alliance Revramp

[KnightValor]

Nice!

Very nice... one of those simple things that are very hard to think of!

[darkness5723]

like I said, I like your idea SGC replicators.. it just bugs me when people say "ascendeds are too powerful give us something to compensate". not saying that about your idea, saying that about some of the other posts around here.

[KnightValor]

It bugs me when people deny the problem simply because it makes them seem like they actually aren't nessesarily the better player...

We could go on for hours like this, though... so lets get back on topic, please!

[[SGC_ReplicÅtors]]

u mean it can go on for days look at Bahamuts thread thats what it become for a few pages........


this idea could be implmented into Q first and see how it goes from Q and then iomplemented into Main after the bug fixes and other tweaks made to the idea

[KnightValor]

Nods...

Quantum would be the best for the war implementation too... Most wars seem to come there.

[[SGC_ReplicÅtors]]

Wow i am suprised that i am recieving very light resistance to this idea..........YAY

[darkness5723]

like I said replicators, it's a good idea.
and knight, what "problem" are you referring to? I dont feel liek rereading all your incredibly long posts to find it.

[Jiang wei]

The idea is good. I don't see why people have to argue about it. although, there should be a limit to stop people who have been playing longer to get too far ahead

[KnightValor]

like I said replicators, it's a good idea.
and knight, what "problem" are you referring to? I dont feel liek rereading all your incredibly long posts to find it.

I said I was going to stop, and I meant it

[darkness5723]

ok i read it all im not lazy

And if you're more powerful than its easier to get more money from attacking people.

And from getting that money from people lower in power than you you deprive them on money, right?

And as their deprived of money they also have to spend money on repairs, right?

So you just deprived them of power, right?

Here's the question: Could you have won the battle if you hadn't ascended? Ever, I mean... Making that 30% bonus from six ascensions quite potent... And with every attack you are slowing down the non-ascendee or "haven't-ascended-as-many-times"ee from ascending, or gaining more power...

You see the problem? Whether or not you think it is small can be argued, but stating yourself the creator of the problem right after saying there is no problem is stupid!

People like you, ragnarok, who are blindly denying the huge powerboost of ascension to justify their own power as being obtained more or less fairly, can choose the names...

yes parts are missing, this is the relevant part to my post. knight, this is not a problem. Ascension was meant to give a huge powerboost because of the huge cost involved. Trust me the main reward of ascension is not the ascension server. The ascension server is horribly boring.

By your logic, all the people who have ascended should be nerfed so they dont stop the development of the unascended player? I'm sorry but that is RETARDED. Yes, the ascendeds are much more powerful BONUS WISE. BUt not necessarily STRENGTH wise. If a person rush ascends 6x in 24 days, initially their account is much weaker than it was before ascension. If they had instead, taken all that naq and UU and invested wisely, they would have a MUCH more powerful account, I assure you. Then why do people just invest all their resources in their account and not ascend? because we want the bonuses, that's why.

Also, by your logic people farming other people hinders their growth? WHAT are you talking about? Yes, it deprives them of money and costs them repairs, but the same thing applies to ANYONE farming ANYONE. Using this reasoning you could say that everyone should be brought to the same level as to not hinder the growth of anyone else. You know what that is called? that is called COMMUNISM.. (actually marxism, but we wont get into that).

And to your one question "Could you have won the battle if you had not ascended?" The answer to that is YES. Everyone who has ascended has earned the right to it, and most of them were more powerful before the inital ascension.
Also you seem to be assuming that everyone who is ascended doesn't get attacked themselves?... lol.

So knighty is this the so called "rampant problem" that you were referring to? because that is the most flawed logic I have EVER read.

[[SGC_ReplicÅtors]]

if u had enough UU, i mean lots no matter how fast u ascneded


u will still be powerful i have seen this happened before

[KnightValor]

ok i read it all im not lazy

And if you're more powerful than its easier to get more money from attacking people.

And from getting that money from people lower in power than you you deprive them on money, right?

And as their deprived of money they also have to spend money on repairs, right?

So you just deprived them of power, right?

Here's the question: Could you have won the battle if you hadn't ascended? Ever, I mean... Making that 30% bonus from six ascensions quite potent... And with every attack you are slowing down the non-ascendee or "haven't-ascended-as-many-times"ee from ascending, or gaining more power...

You see the problem? Whether or not you think it is small can be argued, but stating yourself the creator of the problem right after saying there is no problem is stupid!

People like you, ragnarok, who are blindly denying the huge powerboost of ascension to justify their own power as being obtained more or less fairly, can choose the names...

yes parts are missing, this is the relevant part to my post. knight, this is not a problem. Ascension was meant to give a huge powerboost because of the huge cost involved. Trust me the main reward of ascension is not the ascension server. The ascension server is horribly boring.

By your logic, all the people who have ascended should be nerfed so they dont stop the development of the unascended player? I'm sorry but that is RETARDED. Yes, the ascendeds are much more powerful BONUS WISE. BUt not necessarily STRENGTH wise. If a person rush ascends 6x in 24 days, initially their account is much weaker than it was before ascension. If they had instead, taken all that naq and UU and invested wisely, they would have a MUCH more powerful account, I assure you. Then why do people just invest all their resources in their account and not ascend? because we want the bonuses, that's why.

Also, by your logic people farming other people hinders their growth? WHAT are you talking about? Yes, it deprives them of money and costs them repairs, but the same thing applies to ANYONE farming ANYONE. Using this reasoning you could say that everyone should be brought to the same level as to not hinder the growth of anyone else. You know what that is called? that is called COMMUNISM.. (actually marxism, but we wont get into that).

And to your one question "Could you have won the battle if you had not ascended?" The answer to that is YES. Everyone who has ascended has earned the right to it, and most of them were more powerful before the inital ascension.
Also you seem to be assuming that everyone who is ascended doesn't get attacked themselves?... lol.

So knighty is this the so called "rampant problem" that you were referring to? because that is the most flawed logic I have EVER read.

Actually, what you just posted is the worst interpretation of logic that I have ever read.

First off...

Trust me the main reward of ascension is not the ascension server. The ascension server is horribly boring.

That was what ascension was originally made to do, whether it is not the BEST reward does not prevent it from being the MAIN award.

By your logic, all the people who have ascended should be nerfed so they dont stop the development of the unascended player? I'm sorry but that is RETARDED.

I would agree. The problem cannot be solved now that it is created. However, furthering the problem is also RETARDED.

Yes, the ascendeds are much more powerful BONUS WISE. BUt not necessarily STRENGTH wise

Not necessarily, no. But if 99% of the population were women, you wouldn't necessarily be one yourself.

Also, by your logic people farming other people hinders their growth? WHAT are you talking about? Yes, it deprives them of money and costs them repairs, but the same thing applies to ANYONE farming ANYONE.

I never dissagreed with you...

You know what that is called? that is called COMMUNISM.. (actually marxism, but we wont get into that).

First off, I would like to add that you may feel smart knowing that communism is called marxism, but that's actual common knowledge.

Second off, that isn't really marxism because marxism is actually more about evenly distributing food & labour than giving people equal opportunities... And besides, the idea behind communism works... in theory. The reason why it doesn't in practice is because it requires a perfect leader & all citizens to work equally hard. Seeing as neither of these things would be a problem from giving equal opportunity to the players of SGW would have neither of those problems...

And to your one question "Could you have won the battle if you had not ascended?" The answer to that is YES.

Is the answer really yes or are you just trying to defend your position of power as it makes you feel... well... powerful...?

Its funny, seeing as you didn't give any examples at all, yet you say ascending is a good idea, so obviously it increases your power at least in the long run, yet you say that it doesn't help you win battles... funny, seeing as winning battles depends on your POWER.

Also you seem to be assuming that everyone who is ascended doesn't get attacked themselves?... lol.

I never assumed that... I merely assumed that they would win more with that 15% accumulated bonus (if it isn't higher). But... seeing as apparently ascending doesn't help you powerwise (but you should do it because it helps you... I mean, its fun... Yeah... its fun... But doesn't help you....) only bonuswise which doesn't amount to anything at all, obviously ascended players don't win as many battles...

[darkness5723]

ermm I'll reply to the rest when I get back from dinner, but communism and marxism are two different things. Communism was that horribly skewed version of marxism that was put into play in Russia. Marxism was Karl Marx's idea of a perfect society. Communism is some people's idea of a perfect society, but it doesn't work because people are greedy and always want more (which is yes, what you said). Anyway.. more to come.

[KnightValor]

ermm I'll reply to the rest when I get back from dinner, but communism and marxism are two different things. Communism was that horribly skewed version of marxism that was put into play in Russia. Marxism was Karl Marx's idea of a perfect society. Communism is some people's idea of a perfect society, but it doesn't work because people are greedy and always want more (which is yes, what you said). Anyway.. more to come.

I've never actually read the Communist Manifesto... I assumed the only real adaptations (if any) would be making one head guy... Apparently I was wrong.


Hopefully it won't ruin my argument, just say where I'm wrong and I will reconsider

[darkness5723]

And if you're more powerful than its easier to get more money from attacking people.

And from getting that money from people lower in power than you you deprive them on money, right?

And as their deprived of money they also have to spend money on repairs, right?

So you just deprived them of power, right?

Here's the question: Could you have won the battle if you hadn't ascended? Ever, I mean... Making that 30% bonus from six ascensions quite potent... And with every attack you are slowing down the non-ascendee or "haven't-ascended-as-many-times"ee from ascending, or gaining more power...

You see the problem? Whether or not you think it is small can be argued, but stating yourself the creator of the problem right after saying there is no problem is stupid!

People like you, ragnarok, who are blindly denying the huge powerboost of ascension to justify their own power as being obtained more or less fairly, can choose the names...

yes parts are missing, this is the relevant part to my post. knight, this is not a problem. Ascension was meant to give a huge powerboost because of the huge cost involved. Trust me the main reward of ascension is not the ascension server. The ascension server is horribly boring.

By your logic, all the people who have ascended should be nerfed so they dont stop the development of the unascended player? I'm sorry but that is RETARDED. Yes, the ascendeds are much more powerful BONUS WISE. BUt not necessarily STRENGTH wise. If a person rush ascends 6x in 24 days, initially their account is much weaker than it was before ascension. If they had instead, taken all that naq and UU and invested wisely, they would have a MUCH more powerful account, I assure you. Then why do people just invest all their resources in their account and not ascend? because we want the bonuses, that's why.

Also, by your logic people farming other people hinders their growth? WHAT are you talking about? Yes, it deprives them of money and costs them repairs, but the same thing applies to ANYONE farming ANYONE. Using this reasoning you could say that everyone should be brought to the same level as to not hinder the growth of anyone else. You know what that is called? that is called COMMUNISM.. (actually marxism, but we wont get into that).

And to your one question "Could you have won the battle if you had not ascended?" The answer to that is YES. Everyone who has ascended has earned the right to it, and most of them were more powerful before the inital ascension.
Also you seem to be assuming that everyone who is ascended doesn't get attacked themselves?... lol.

So knighty is this the so called "rampant problem" that you were referring to? because that is the most flawed logic I have EVER read.

Actually, what you just posted is the worst interpretation of logic that I have ever read.

First off...

Trust me the main reward of ascension is not the ascension server. The ascension server is horribly boring.

That was what ascension was originally made to do, whether it is not the BEST reward does not prevent it from being the MAIN award.

By your logic, all the people who have ascended should be nerfed so they dont stop the development of the unascended player? I'm sorry but that is RETARDED.

I would agree. The problem cannot be solved now that it is created. However, furthering the problem is also RETARDED.

Yes, the ascendeds are much more powerful BONUS WISE. BUt not necessarily STRENGTH wise

Not necessarily, no. But if 99% of the population were women, you wouldn't necessarily be one yourself.

Also, by your logic people farming other people hinders their growth? WHAT are you talking about? Yes, it deprives them of money and costs them repairs, but the same thing applies to ANYONE farming ANYONE.

I never dissagreed with you...

You know what that is called? that is called COMMUNISM.. (actually marxism, but we wont get into that).

First off, I would like to add that you may feel smart knowing that communism is called marxism, but that's actual common knowledge.

Second off, that isn't really marxism because marxism is actually more about evenly distributing food & labour than giving people equal opportunities... And besides, the idea behind communism works... in theory. The reason why it doesn't in practice is because it requires a perfect leader & all citizens to work equally hard. Seeing as neither of these things would be a problem from giving equal opportunity to the players of SGW would have neither of those problems...

And to your one question "Could you have won the battle if you had not ascended?" The answer to that is YES.

Is the answer really yes or are you just trying to defend your position of power as it makes you feel... well... powerful...?

Its funny, seeing as you didn't give any examples at all, yet you say ascending is a good idea, so obviously it increases your power at least in the long run, yet you say that it doesn't help you win battles... funny, seeing as winning battles depends on your POWER.

Also you seem to be assuming that everyone who is ascended doesn't get attacked themselves?... lol.

I never assumed that... I merely assumed that they would win more with that 15% accumulated bonus (if it isn't higher). But... seeing as apparently ascending doesn't help you powerwise (but you should do it because it helps you... I mean, its fun... Yeah... its fun... But doesn't help you....) only bonuswise which doesn't amount to anything at all, obviously ascended players don't win as many battles...

Okay, I'm just going to ignore most of that post, but one thing I do want to comment on is this:

And to your one question "Could you have won the battle if you had not ascended?" The answer to that is YES.

Is the answer really yes or are you just trying to defend your position of power as it makes you feel... well... powerful...?

Explanation: I can't post specifics, but this will generalize it for you. If someone took all the resources they spent on ascending and spent it on stats instead, initially their account would be MUCH MUCH MUCH more powerful, than it would be from ascension. Eventually , the bonus becomes more than worthwhile and the ascendee becomes more powerful
than they would if they had just spent the amount of resources on stats. However, this doesn't normally happen for a really long time.

And..... SGC Reps.. yes if someone has a lot of UU they can recover quite quickly. But you are still negating the cost of ascension.. like I said above, if you took the resources spent on ascension and instead spent them on stats, your account would be much much more powerful. Recovery is never instant, and it takes a while to build up to the same level after ascension (this is the same level as if one were to spend their resources on stats instead of ascension).

I hope to god this clarify's some things for you guys, as this will be my last post on this matter. Quite frankly, you can not speak of ascendeds power if you are not ascended, because you have NO IDEA what it's like to ascend and what you must go through to get the power. Unless a Living God comes out and says "we are too powerful for the work we did" no real movement is going to occur on that front.

One final note: I really like your idea SGC_Replicators. I've thought of posting a tech suggestion for some time now as I always felt the technology side of the game was a bit lacking. I hope forum reads this and okays to do it, but I doubt it. Good Luck.

Oh and, all the ascended super accounts you see would still be super accounts without ascension. Being a living god does NOT automatically make you a super power, just keep that in mind.