Edit : There is No simple way out

[bamse]

The idea STI puts forward, I mean when I first saw it I laughed, your basically saying well, we're tired now, so can you just give up please, you don't make mention of chaanging anything, so basically, the COP gets what it wants, CIA surrenders and stops fighting and COP go back to building a reputation as an untouchable bully.

Exactly!

[Juliette]

KGB is annoyed by this lack of neutrality on the side of the leader of D U N E and other professed neutral parties.
We wish to put forth a motion demanding to lift the 'neutrality' of any and all neutral parties. It is our desire to invoke a Total Krieg. *Everyone* and we mean everyone is to fight, whether they want to or not.

Choose sides, form your own side... do whatever you must. But for Gamesake, do *not* pretend to be neutral while speaking the words of one party in all this.

In short, we second LBWMTE's and Bamse's words, and their inherent implication. In layman's terms, we are ticked off by this breach of neutrality.

[311 [TA]]

I have a very simple way out for everyone

COP disband...........

it can be over in an hour

then CIA disbands

everyone is happy

then every alliance deal with other alliances on a 1 on 1 basis

but thats almost 2 simple isnt it?

[Boooby]

^^ much simpler indeed ^^

[Major Lincoln LaFayette]

This war will not end without a significant change. That much should be very clear by now. Weeks have gone by and we remain undeterred.

Trying to name it 'the war of boredom' is pointless politics.
We are not bored. We are determined. And, traditionally,
winners name the war after it is won. If you are bored, leave the war.
All wars are won in the will. Our's is strong.

Go back to the threads before and at the start of the war and you will see these same people complaining about boredom. They said they were relieved that there was a war. But, of course, this was when they were also predicting a swift and decisive victory for the CoP. War was not a boring concept when they felt assured of a win.

All we have asked for to end this war is fairness; simply a fair playing field. All offers to end the war so far from CoP or their mouth pieces have been versions of going back to the way things were. This is not going to fly.

Why?

For the bulk of us, standing up to the CoP and their massive accounts when many of us had less than 2 million troops was an act of bravery. I fully expected to be crushed. I expect to be attacked because of this post. But, like joining the uprising, I had to speak out. I remember the days that to simply have a different opinion from a CoP member in the forum was enough to earn a massing and to be 'sat on till you leave the game' and your officers attacked simply 'to teach a lesson' or because CoP members were 'bored'.

Hmmm... boredom seems to be a recurring theme for some.

I joined the war against the CoP with the large numbers of those who play the game that said 'ENOUGH". We all expected to be stopped, but we did not realize- and niether did the CoP- how many of us felt that the situation was intolerable and must end- even if it meant our downfall.

We put our accounts on the line.

We believed we had to stand up to the wrongs being done to us on a daily basis- wrongs executed by the minority of CoP, but supported by the unflinching might of the whole of the alliance.

Now that we have succeeded in taking the fight to the invincible, you want us to quit and let things go back to the way things were? David has fought Goliath to a draw and now Goliath wants a break to catch his breath? Not likely.

False 'neutrals' will not 'spin' us from the real knowledge of why and how we have fought this war. Repeated propaganda statements that say the same things over and over again from the same small group of people will not change what large numbers of us have experienced.

We all know the truth.

Ending the war is really as simple as 311 has suggested. Pride is all that stands in the way.

Want the war to end?

Give us a real solution to these abuses and addresse these concerns and we can discuss. Until then, as Henry V said, 'Come not again to us for ransom, Gentle Herald. You shall have naught of me save these my joints."

The game as you knew it is over. We will not go back. It simply is a matter of how long it will take for you to realize this.

Luck to all in the wars.

[bamse]

This war will not end without a significant change. That much should be very clear by now. Weeks have gone by and we remain undeterred.

Didn't want to quote the whole post, but that has to be one of the best posts so far this war.

Also I don't understand what people are talking about! The war is getting dragged out and its getting boring? I totally disagree, I haven't had this much fun in a long time and I know that a lot my friends feel the same way, on both sides.

A lot of people are forgetting the smaller players who was afraid of CoP before the war and was tired of being bullied. Those players are having the time of their life, they can raid and farm huge CoP accounts as much as they want now with little fear of retribution at a good profit. Yes this
also counts for the smaller CoP players, however a lot of these players have had the "CoP backup" in the past and been able to pull far to many stunts compared to their size.. "Attack me back! and my alliance will mass you" ..

Regardless of how this war ends, a lot of good has come out of it. New friendships has been forged, some friendships have ended, the weak and disloyal have left their alliances, and some have left the war for valid reasons.

Last but not least, many players have gained a lot of experience from this war.

Regards,
Paul aka Bamse / BWP

[Vendetta]

I have a very simple way out for everyone

COP disband...........

it can be over in an hour

then CIA disbands

everyone is happy

then every alliance deal with other alliances on a 1 on 1 basis

but thats almost 2 simple isnt it?

Dosnt matter how simple you make it mate, CoP still cant get it into thier heads through all that Ego

Jeff, I like you, and the fact your tryingto find a way to end this. But this isnt going to work. As you said if people dont like it, in a week we can go back to this etc etc. All that does is give CoP a chance to rebuild and all the members who ran to dune to come back. For when it DOES start again as we all know it will. The only half reasonably attempt i saw was Smooshables, simply because it took CIA intrests into mind as well and not just CoP's. And really, all this does is help CoP. People agreeing to this (from both sides and neutrals) have you not read or been told what this war is for? It wasnt to smack CoP around a bit then let them go back to the regular once THEY get sick of it.

And STI your proposal goes completely off trusting CoP to change thier ways, you know it wont happen and we know it wont happen. Hell even if we get CoP to disband people from CoP will probably just reform it, but atleast we would have accomplished what we set out for, and then we will get to do it all over again

Either way. CoP gets these outs and these outs only.

Disband CoP
Join DUNE
Publicaly announce personal/alliance surrender and leave war
Leave the game.

Those are CoP members outs as stated many times by various CIA members. And im highly doubting a compromise will be agreed apon after DD's "peace talks" Well, atleast smoosh started out ok right

Ok well im tired and more than sure i missed a fair bit, and you can probably tell i didnt bother reading the increasingly long posts. Whatever.

Bye.

[[SGC_ReplicÅtors]]

For the bulk of us, standing up to the CoP and their massive accounts when many of us had less than 2 million troops was an act of bravery. I fully expected to be crushed. I expect to be attacked because of this post. But, like joining the uprising, I had to speak out. I remember the days that to simply have a different opinion from a CoP member in the forum was enough to earn a massing and to be 'sat on till you leave the game' and your officers attacked simply 'to teach a lesson' or because CoP members were 'bored'.

size doesn't matter

quantity is like a quality, its true that they have bigger accounts but like i said we have more of us then them

[Tok`ra]

Incorrect, Size DOES matter to an extent.

People under 5mil army are at a severe hanicap.

[S T I]

Jeff, I like you, and the fact your tryingto find a way to end this. But this isnt going to work. As you said if people dont like it, in a week we can go back to this etc etc. All that does is give CoP a chance to rebuild and all the members who ran to dune to come back. For when it DOES start again as we all know it will. The only half reasonably attempt i saw was Smooshables, simply because it took CIA intrests into mind as well and not just CoP's. And really, all this does is help CoP. People agreeing to this (from both sides and neutrals) have you not read or been told what this war is for? It wasnt to smack CoP around a bit then let them go back to the regular once THEY get sick of it.

And STI your proposal goes completely off trusting CoP to change thier ways, you know it wont happen and we know it wont happen. Hell even if we get CoP to disband people from CoP will probably just reform it, but atleast we would have accomplished what we set out for, and then we will get to do it all over again

Either way. CoP gets these outs and these outs only.

Disband CoP
Join DUNE
Publicaly announce personal/alliance surrender and leave war
Leave the game.

Those are CoP members outs as stated many times by various CIA members. And im highly doubting a compromise will be agreed apon after DD's "peace talks" Well, atleast smoosh started out ok right

Ok well im tired and more than sure i missed a fair bit, and you can probably tell i didnt bother reading the increasingly long posts. Whatever.

Bye.

Trust & yes a lot of what I said I said because of Trust.

why

why would COP members rebuild until this is sorted. ( this works for both sides)

people who have joined have said they have no intension of rejoining (but yes agai this has to be taking on trust) but both sides are in DUNE

Smooshables attempt, i was told failed because it got to complicated, so this is why i tried to make it simple.

yes you saw what i was saying that, it was trusting COP to change their ways ( & i have based this on what i have been told) but yes it is again trust.

I will not go on explaining what i did, because nearly all of you saw what i was trying & took it as what it was. & i thank you for reading it & taking the time to just thin about it.


now i will get to why i am posting.

LBWMTE- D4rk S1de wrote:
The idea STI puts forward, I mean when I first saw it I laughed, your basically saying well, we're tired now, so can you just give up please, you don't make mention of chaanging anything, so basically, the COP gets what it wants, CIA surrenders and stops fighting and COP go back to building a reputation as an untouchable bully.

bamse wrote

Exactly! Smile

& then what followed

Jadzia wrote


KGB is annoyed by this lack of neutrality on the side of the leader of D U N E and other professed neutral parties.
We wish to put forth a motion demanding to lift the 'neutrality' of any and all neutral parties. It is our desire to invoke a Total Krieg. *Everyone* and we mean everyone is to fight, whether they want to or not.

Choose sides, form your own side... do whatever you must. But for Gamesake, do *not* pretend to be neutral while speaking the words of one party in all this.

In short, we second LBWMTE's and Bamse's words, and their inherent implication. In layman's terms, we are ticked off by this breach of neutrality.

& then this

I take it was aimed at DUNE (because it came straight after the other stuff)

Major Lincoln LaFayette wrote

False 'neutrals' will not 'spin' us from the real knowledge of why and how we have fought this war. Repeated propaganda statements that say the same things over and over again from the same small group of people will not change what large numbers of us have experienced.

well I will deal with the last one first.

It is no use jumping from page one to the end of the thread & then posting.
people who have read what i said about the reasons for the war (COP related), will know that i have been fully neatral ( i have said bad stuff about CIA & COP)

It seems that i must only say bad stuff about COP to be neatral.
is in your post, infact you could have nearly made you entire post from stuff i have already said.

Now for the top one,

Yep like i said in a post at least it did some good by making you laugh (someone can find my post i am sure of it ) but you have to read the whole thread to understand the meaning

Now how the hell do you get from my first post to LBWMTE- D4rk S1de wrote: post to bamse post (quote "Exactly! Smile") to this.

"KGB is annoyed by this lack of neutrality on the side of the leader of D U N E and other professed neutral parties.
We wish to put forth a motion demanding to lift the 'neutrality' of any and all neutral parties. It is our desire to invoke a Total Krieg. *Everyone* and we mean everyone is to fight, whether they want to or not.

Choose sides, form your own side... do whatever you must. But for Gamesake, do *not* pretend to be neutral while speaking the words of one party in all this.

In short, we second LBWMTE's and Bamse's words, and their inherent implication. In layman's terms, we are ticked off by this breach of neutrality."



Jeff (S T I)

[High Empty]

OK fine we want to clear up the issue of neutrality, So be it!

7 Days from i will be attacking EVERYONE. THERE will be NO safe place. If you don't want to be attacked Join COP, and i won't attack you. If you don't want to attack fine then figure out a peace agreement that all party can accept, i've had all i can take, from now on you play the game your in the war.

Better deal with the issue of this cause, you either are going to join a side in the war! or your going to find an end to the war.

you have 7 Days!

[Major Lincoln LaFayette]

High Empty, your post is a delight. It made me laugh.
Go get 'em!

[SVaRuN]

And I wonder who is he going to attack....little alliances ...

Now now barbarian...do not test the other nations...or you just may find yourself in an overwheming situation with no way out...

Please...it is my personal belief you are already too tied up in a mess...if we achieve victory in the end...do not say that you were beaten because all the world was against you...you were beaten because of your own lack of reason..

Again only my perspective...and we do not share the same one I presume

[Pungemo]

I'm glad High Empty has gotten off the high horse the CoP has built out of staw.

[Tok`ra]

Start with Imperial!