Are Roman Catholics Christians?

[~[ Greased Gerbil ]~]

Whoever made this comic is a fool.

Agreed.

[Kit-Fox]

You guys do realise dont you that a religious group like catholics and others can eventually stop actually adhering to the faith but adhering to their own principles.

The priests etc (whatever your faith calls its 'staff') start to believe in their own ability to be 'godlike' and so the people start to believe in the edifice built up around the god & his message rather than the god & his actual word.

while i'm not saying it has happened, it can and is believed to have happened to some (and by that i mean in the past). So while you are lambasting the fellow, just remember such things are possible.

[Jack]

If Catholicism = Christianity then Judaism = Islam.

Oh looks like we finally found someone who believed the propaganda..

That's a rather stupid thing to say, considering that you said the samething only using more words.

[Thriller]

Jacks from texas, if i remember correctly.

So your going to have to cut him some slack. If your not a white Protestant than you probably only a half cross look away from being on the buisness end of a lynch mod.

[Legendary Apophis]

Jacks from texas, if i remember correctly.

So your going to have to cut him some slack. If your not a white Protestant than you probably only a half cross look away from being on the buisness end of a lynch mod.

Likely.

If Catholicism = Christianity then Judaism = Islam.

Oh looks like we finally found someone who believed the propaganda..

That's a rather stupid thing to say, considering that you said the samething only using more words.

Propaganda of course meant whoever believes Catholicism isn't christianism. I think nobody believed otherwise, if anyone did, I feel quite sorry for them .

[Jack]

Propaganda of course meant whoever believes Catholicism isn't christianism. I think nobody believed otherwise, if anyone did, I feel quite sorry for them .

Catholicism is simply not what we today call Christianity. They are fairly different religions. Now whether you want to make that an issue of "only Christianity is the correct religion thus Catholicism is evil!!1!!111" or "Well then what we call Christianity today isn't true Christianity, that's Catholicism" or "who cares what we call ourselves" is upto you. I couldn't care less about the squabbles of religions and which is right(if any), I was merely pointing out the obvious which seems to be an impossible concept to grasp for you feeble minded individuals.

I love though, how I present a different viewpoint and you feel the need to resort to petty insults with absolutely no attempt to prove me wrong. It only serves to show that you either know that what I say is true, or simply lack the mental capacities to engage me in an intellectual conversation.

[Legendary Apophis]

I love though, how I present a different viewpoint and you feel the need to resort to petty insults with absolutely no attempt to prove me wrong. It only serves to show that you either know that what I say is true, or simply lack the mental capacities to engage me in an intellectual conversation.

Don't worry, it's neither.

I already argued anyway.
You're not special enough to have me to state again what I said. So I will add something new.

What you call "christianity" is different from what christianity was, which is similiar to what catholicism is, thus proving I am right. Just because christianity as a whole is different from what it used to be doesn't mean that the new christianity is truer than catholicism (closer to what christianity used to be). If you understand what I meant with this confusing part. It's like saying XXth wars are truer than what they used to be before. They evolved, that's it.

I also think that most of people who posted in this topic aren't "feeble minded" (oh look, you insulted as well ) but JUST don't agree with you. Which is, no matter whether you are right or wrong, fact of not agreeing, a form of idiocy or stupidity in your eyes. Which is a false interpretation.

I used SO CALLED petty insults because you said something silly in your comparing. Silly posts=silly answer. Simple as that!

I got to admit the very last part of your post is ridiculous..

[Kit-Fox]

Well Pops while christianity & catholotism had a shared inspiration & beginning they are now two very different faiths thanks in part to the changes that have happened. Such as co-opting beliefs & customs etc from religions that existed before them as well in the case of the catholic church constant revisions & various contradictoy papal views/comments (by that i mean one popes views/comments have ended up contradicting a previous pope)

So the argument could be made that they are two very different faiths now, its mearly a matter of interpretation

[Legendary Apophis]

Well Pops while christianity & catholotism had a shared inspiration & beginning they are now two very different faiths thanks in part to the changes that have happened. Such as co-opting beliefs & customs etc from religions that existed before them as well in the case of the catholic church constant revisions & various contradictoy papal views/comments (by that i mean one popes views/comments have ended up contradicting a previous pope)

So the argument could be made that they are two very different faiths now, its mearly a matter of interpretation

But then I doubt protestants and orthodoxs have many things in common that catholicism doesn't, if you see what I mean. I think there's big differences between the three major pathes of christianism. Them being catholicism protestantism orthodoxism.
It often depends on where you live on how you will interpret christianism.

[Jack]

What you call "christianity" is different from what christianity was, which is similiar to what catholicism is, thus proving I am right.

Wahey, you just proved my entire argument, princess, thanks.

Just because christianity as a whole is different from what it used to be doesn't mean that the new christianity is truer than catholicism (closer to what christianity used to be).

I couldn't care less about the squabbles of religions and which is right(if any)

I also think that most of people who posted in this topic aren't "feeble minded" (oh look, you insulted as well ) but JUST don't agree with you. Which is, no matter whether you are right or wrong, fact of not agreeing, a form of idiocy or stupidity in your eyes. Which is a false interpretation.

It's not you disagreeing with me, that makes you feeble minded, but you arguing against yourself.

(oh look, you insulted as well )

Difference, Pops, is that I actually put forth an argument.

I got to admit the very last part of your post is ridiculous..

You'd like to beg to differ.

But then I doubt protestants and orthodoxs have many things in common that catholicism doesn't, if you see what I mean. I think there's big differences between the three major pathes of christianism. Them being catholicism protestantism orthodoxism.
It often depends on where you live on how you will interpret christianism.

You mean like Christianity, Islam and Judaism?

[Legendary Apophis]

I also think that most of people who posted in this topic aren't "feeble minded" (oh look, you insulted as well ) but JUST don't agree with you. Which is, no matter whether you are right or wrong, fact of not agreeing, a form of idiocy or stupidity in your eyes. Which is a false interpretation.

It's not you disagreeing with me, that makes you feeble minded, but you arguing against yourself.
Oh nice move to try to change subject. And even if we argued against ourselves, it's not that strange, given you gave nothing, just saying that it's as different as judaism to islam, without ANYTHING to back it! Just throwing it like a rock.

(oh look, you insulted as well )

Difference, Pops, is that I actually put forth an argument.
...which has obviously yet to be seen.

But then I doubt protestants and orthodoxs have many things in common that catholicism doesn't, if you see what I mean. I think there's big differences between the three major pathes of christianism. Them being catholicism protestantism orthodoxism.
It often depends on where you live on how you will interpret christianism.

You mean like Christianity, Islam and Judaism?
Your whole argument is false, and I just proven it. You claim there's christianism AND catholicism (as different entities), then that's all. I tell you, orthodoxism catholicism and protestantism are all different to each others. Sunites and chiites in islam are also different, does it make sunnism more islam than the other (or vice-versa?)? I don't think so! (unless you fall into the true religion stuff)
You claim you don't fall into which religion is right or wrong, but you consider a massive group of christianism vs catholicism. Either you imply orthodoxism & protestantism are similar and catholicism is different, which is false, as all three are different to each others (just ask a protestant what he/she thinks of orthodixism's icons). Or (more likely?) you claim that there's a "true" christianism and rest isn't, which then implies you made a choice on who is true christianism, on the contrary to what you stated earlier about neutrality.


Finally on the matter: "...is not what we call christianity..." What you and people who think like you call it. Most people I have read, talked with, etc...didn't take this stance that both were different. It was more about protestantism/catholicism differences "fights" more than excluding catholicism from christianism. You and I both know how conveniently "we" "they" "us" etc... can be. It can define a group of 10 people having radical ideas like mean a more common stance on a matter. It's too vague.
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[Jack]

Pops, I never once said that any religion was the true religion, I even said that I don't care which is "true" and which isn't.

[Legendary Apophis]

Pops, I never once said that any religion was the true religion, I even said that I don't care which is "true" and which isn't.

You said it's different to christianism.

I used icons example to show protestants and orthodoxs are different. Therefore if christianism is different to catholicism and orthodoxism/protestantism are different, then either neither are christianism (orthodox, protestant), or one is christianism while others (catholicism and the one not christianism from opposed protestantism/orthodoxism) aren't, and then you take a stance, illustrated by sunnism/chiism example I gave.

Which leads to the question: what is the "today christianism" for you?

Despite their differences, in my opinion, the three main pathes of christianism are all christianist pathes.

[Jack]

You said it's different to christianism.

So did you.

What you call "christianity" is different from what christianity was, which is similiar to what catholicism is, thus proving I am right.

Which leads to the question: what is the "today christianism" for you?

It is as it applies to this thread.

I used icons example to show protestants and orthodoxs are different.

And I haven't said they weren't.

[Legendary Apophis]

You said it's different to christianism.

So did you.

What you call "christianity" is different from what christianity was, which is similiar to what catholicism is, thus proving I am right.

Christianity changed doesn't mean it's not christianity anymore. If we were to take this path because one is turning different from the others and make a new religion from this...we would have hundred of religions in no time! It's not about clones...Religions change with time, it doesn't mean that sunnism and chiism aren't branches of islam. Same goes for christianism. Different (of course otherwise they would be all under same path) but still christianism.

Which leads to the question: what is the "today christianism" for you?

It is as it applies to this thread.

I used icons example to show protestants and orthodoxs are different.

And I haven't said they weren't.

This part was also argued in my previous post.

It's you who consider that being different means it's not part of. I just stated they were indeed all different, but part of same religion. Same goes for other religions and each of their pathes.